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Posted 7/9/2007 9:17:57 AM


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I noticed many of our members are into overclocking so I thought it would be a good Idea to get a little overclocking thread going. Feel free to edit or add to anything on here:
 
 
Reasons to not Overclock

1) Protection - Warranties are voided on almost all CPUs, and some motherboards as well.
2) Stress - More Stress on the CPU (and on all devices if you increase the FSB), can lead to a shorter CPU Life
3) Heat - More Heat Generation from CPU (and RAM if you increase the FSB)
4) Sensitivity - The heat sensitivity of your system will be greatly effected. If you o/c in the winter and summer comes around, you might be forced to reduce your speeds because your system cannot work stably with the large change in ambient temperature.
5) Efficiency - Increasing your cpu with overclocking doesn't increase it's efficiency at processing data. simply because some CPU's have many more optimizations, such as a full HT.


Reasons to Overclock

1) Speed - Your CPU will perform more operations per second (and your RAM if you increase the FSB)
2) Ca$h - Who needs a to buy a "pricey" 1900+ when you can get a 1600+ for half the price and overclock it to the same speed?!

Safety Procedures

KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE - If you are trying to overclock, and you come in and post a thread saying "Help me overclock", we will only be able to help you if WE KNOW what motherboard, CPU, heatsink/fan, RAM, operating system, video card, and add-on devices you have. And the only way WE can know this is, obviously, if YOU tell us. So KNOW what you have.

UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING - The term "Overclocking" is actually very general. There are several ways to overclock a CPU and other components.
 
 
While overclocking, you will change several or possibly ALL of the following:

Front Side Bus (FSB) - This is how fast your motherboard chipset communicates with your CPU, and is also one of the two factors that determine overall CPU speed in MHz.

CPU Clock Multiplier - This is a unitless value, who's value increases or decreases in 0.5 increments (such as 10.0, 10.5, 11.0, etc) This value only affects the CPU, and is the other determining factor in overall CPU speed in MHz, when multiplied together with the FSB.

CPU Core Voltage (Vcore) - This is the amount of voltage your motherboard will stream to your CPU. An INCREASE in voltage will ensure that your CPU will cleanly pass data, and will prevent data corruption when your CPU is running at higher than stock speeds. An increase in Vcore will also increase your CPU's core temperature. Find out what your specific CPUs voltage is, because not all CPUs use the same voltage. Look at www.amd.com or www.intel.com

RAM Volage (Vio) - This is the amount of voltage your motherboard will stream to your RAM modules. Similar to Vcore, it ensures stabilty at higher speeds, although you will only need to increase this value at high FSB speeds, not high Clock Mulitplier settings.

Once again, a reminder to please go out and find more resources on all and MORE data regarding what exactly happens when you "overclock". That term is not specific in the least.

DON'T RUSH - The best thing you can do when overclocking is to not rush. Rushing will most likely lead to failure, which leads to aggravation. And there's definately a possibilty of killing your CPU, motherboard, RAM, etc. if you rush.

TEMPS, TEMPS, TEMPS - Any overclocker will know how well his heatsink removes heat from his CPU, and he will measure this using the temperature sensors that almost all motherboards include. Using either the BIOS or other software (such as Motherboard Monitor for Windows) will provide you with real time temperature values. Research to find out what acceptable values for your CPU temperature are. I can tell you that all AMD Athlon and Duron CPUs should ABSOLUTELY and WITHOUT QUESTION be under 70C. If you are overclocking, you will require a much lower temperature. The reference point I usually recommend to overclockers is 60C at full load. Please note, that by "full load" I am suggesting a CPU intesive test. The best one I've seen is Sandra 2002's Burn In Test. Run 50 passes of the two CPU benchmarks using Sandra's Burn In function, then check your CPU temperature. If you are under 60C, you are safe. You can find Sandra at www.download.com.

CHECK EVERYTHING - My last safety suggestion would be to always take your time... make sure your heatsink is installed properly on your CPU and make sure you used a thin, even layer of thermal compound. Make sure your heatsink was perfectly clean before installation. Make sure all your fans in your case and on your heatsink work properly. Make sure your RAM and all PCI devices are snugly in your board. Make sure all cables on the back of your PC are snug.

Following that simple guide, you should be able to cut back on the amount of problems and frustrations you have when overclocking.

Increasing the FSB will affect the CPU and also nearly all devices in your system. This is both good and bad, because in a stable system, while all devices will benefit from a slight boost, this also means all devices are stressed more than usual.

Increasing the CPU Clock Multiplier will only affect the CPU. What MOST overclockers do is increase the FSB and leave the clock multiplier alone. What the HARDCORE overclockers do is lower the multiplier first and then MAX OUT the FSB.

There is no reason you should ever LOWER the FSB from stock speeds, unless you're in an emergency of some kind. It will NOT help in overclocking


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Post #9183
Posted 7/12/2007 2:52:57 PM


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AMD K8 Processors and the HT Factor

UPDATED 7/12/2007-When overclocking K8 processors (socket 754,939,AM2) it is possible to achieve significant overclocks by manipulating the HT (Hyper Transport ) speed.  The HT speed is determined by multiplying the FSB by the HT multiplier which is set at a maximum of 4x or 800MHz for socket 754 and 5x or 1000MHz for 939 and AM2. Using my AMD 64 X2 3800+ socket 939 as an example we will examine how this is done.  My first attempt at overclocking this CPU was successful but not paticulary impressive, by raising the FSB alone i was able to get it to 2.4MHz however no matter what i attempted thereafter i could not break the mark!  No amount of voltage manipulation or CPU Clock multiplier fiddling did a bit of good.  At one time i had the FSB turned up to 300 with a 10x  CPU Clock multiplier but still could not get over 2.4MHz.  It was not unstable above that it just would not go.  Finally i turned down the HT multiplier to 4x or 800MHz backed down the memory timings to 2.5-3-3-7 pushed my Core Voltage up to 1.4 and using the default CPU Clock multiplier of 10x i was able to crank my FSB up to 275 then 285!  I should also mention that this is on low budget  cooling a $20 MassCool fan/sink (a big sink however i think it outweighs my case) 1-120mm fan out the back and a 80mm blowing through a tunnel right onto the CPU.  No fancy watercooling or heat pipes.

Currently my little $85.00 3800+ dual core is running nice and stable at 2.85Ghz and 36 degrees Celsius!  That's a pretty decent overclock for an amatuer like myself. Remember take your time increase your FSB slowly and do your homework not all CPU's are created equal!  Just because you have a 5000+ dual core w/a 333FSB stock DOES NOT mean you can crank it up from 2.6 to 3.0MHz without frying it!

Rather than eating up space in this topic i added some attachments at the bottom of this post containing images of current benchmarks and specs.

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Gigabyte GA-M61P-S3
2 X 1GB DDR2 667 @ 757Mhz
160 GB Samsung Spinpoint
NEC Optiarc Super Multi DVD RW 18x
Cooler Master Extreme Power 550w
Windows Vista Premium
Originally Posted by Modki @ OCN
Haha cry more.
I want you all to cry into a small tupperware container and send it to me. I will keep them all in a nice big box labeled "people who cry about Windows" it's a very large box filling up fast. Once it's full me and Bill Gates will make Sorrowful Beer with it and enjoy it's bittersweet taste.
 
 
 


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Post #9286
Posted 7/12/2007 6:45:00 PM


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7/12/2007 6:28 PM

You got to pay to play an overclocking tragedy!-Today i managed to burn up 4 perfectly good but fairly inexpensive sticks of RAM by pushing the envelope so be warned kids this is as first hand as you can get it overclocking can be risky!  Never fear however this intrepid overclocker was not daunted and threw himself on the mercy of the "shade tree" computer tech. the next town over and was able to pick up 2 sticks of 256 and 2 of 512 for the money i had in my pocket.  Not great but better than nothing for now.

 My current OC as of now - http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=216888

Ran 40 passes of SiSoft Sandras burn-in this morning and got up to 52C under full load pretty hot but she stayed steady.  I doubt i will ever have her that stressed again unless i am doing another burn-in so i'm keepin her there, may drop the voltage to 3.75 and see what happens.

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Cooler Master Extreme Power 550w
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Originally Posted by Modki @ OCN
Haha cry more.
I want you all to cry into a small tupperware container and send it to me. I will keep them all in a nice big box labeled "people who cry about Windows" it's a very large box filling up fast. Once it's full me and Bill Gates will make Sorrowful Beer with it and enjoy it's bittersweet taste.
 
 
 
Post #9288
Posted 7/13/2007 1:57:08 PM


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Unfotunate to hear that - its always a risk when pushing harware to its limits.

Heres my current overclock:


 General Information : 
Real Frequency : 2410.16 MHz
FSB Frequency : 241 MHz
Multiplier : 10x

 Initial Frequencies : 
Frequency : 2200 MHz
FSB Frequency : 200 MHz
Multiplier : 11x

PC wizard 07 score:

Whetstone (x87 - Float.) : 7292 MFlops
Whetstone (iSSE3 - Float.) : 13792 MFlops
Dhrystone (iSSE3 - Int.) : 19556 Mips

Computation of "Mandelbrot" (iSSE3) : 11.762 sec.

To AmericanNightmare: I tried putting the multiplier back up to to 11x but vista would fail to start without a significant voltage increase. At which point the cpu fan was louder than normal trying to dissapate the excess heat. My system also became unstable and crashed. Reduced it back down to 10x multiplier where i'm most likely going to keep it.




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Posted 7/13/2007 3:23:02 PM


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I have read a few places that the 4400+ and 5000+ plus tend to get unstable when trying to overclock them past 10% or so.  But don't take that as gospel i go to the Newegg forum and there was some talk about people having problems pushing them very far.  That's one reason i bought the 3800 they are very overclockable as is the 3600.  I'm still at 2.85MHz and 36C as i type this i dropped down the voltage to 3.75 and i actually got a bit cooler with no stability loss i can tell.  Another cup of coffee and i am going to shoot for 3.0 by dropping my HT to 400MHz, my timings to 2-2-2-6/133mhz and bumping the voltage back up to 1.4V and of course cranking my FSB up to 300 and keeping the multiplier at 10x.  I'll report back.

Looks like i have reached my ceiling with what i have maybe with some better RAM.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=217161

Report Date: Friday 13 July 2007 at 16:26 - PC Wizard 2007 Version 1.73

<<< Processor Benchmark >>>

  > Whetstone (x87 - Float.) : 8503 MFlops

  > Whetstone (iSSE3 - Float.) : 16029 MFlops

  > Dhrystone (iSSE3 - Int.) : 25289 Mips

  > Computation of "Mandelbrot" (iSSE3) : 9.906 sec.

Put that in your 5000+ pipe and smoke it!

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X2 3600+ Brisbane @ 3.0GHz
Gigabyte GA-M61P-S3
2 X 1GB DDR2 667 @ 757Mhz
160 GB Samsung Spinpoint
NEC Optiarc Super Multi DVD RW 18x
Cooler Master Extreme Power 550w
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Originally Posted by Modki @ OCN
Haha cry more.
I want you all to cry into a small tupperware container and send it to me. I will keep them all in a nice big box labeled "people who cry about Windows" it's a very large box filling up fast. Once it's full me and Bill Gates will make Sorrowful Beer with it and enjoy it's bittersweet taste.
 
 
 
Post #9318
Posted 7/14/2007 11:29:31 AM


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To AmericanNightmare: I tried putting the multiplier back up to to 11x but vista would fail to start without a significant voltage increase. At which point the cpu fan was louder than normal trying to dissapate the excess heat. My system also became unstable and crashed. Reduced it back down to 10x multiplier where i'm most likely going to keep it.

 I was thinking about that last night and i know you said you would probably keep it there can't blame you really but if by chance you do wish to push it a bit faster i still think if you take your HT mulitplier down to 4x and set your RAM timings a bit slower while leaving the CPU Clock multi. at 10x you can go faster.  You may be thinking (of course i don't know) but you may be thinking you'll loose out by doing so but this is a give take operation here the increase in FSB speed should balance out what you took from your RAM and Hyper Transport speed.  If you take a close look at that last OC of mine you will see what i am saying i think.

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X2 3600+ Brisbane @ 3.0GHz
Gigabyte GA-M61P-S3
2 X 1GB DDR2 667 @ 757Mhz
160 GB Samsung Spinpoint
NEC Optiarc Super Multi DVD RW 18x
Cooler Master Extreme Power 550w
Windows Vista Premium
Originally Posted by Modki @ OCN
Haha cry more.
I want you all to cry into a small tupperware container and send it to me. I will keep them all in a nice big box labeled "people who cry about Windows" it's a very large box filling up fast. Once it's full me and Bill Gates will make Sorrowful Beer with it and enjoy it's bittersweet taste.
 
 
 
Post #9339
Posted 7/15/2007 3:51:08 AM


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