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Home Premium, there is a severe overall, general "has stopped working"
problem.
Thus far I've experienced:
"Internet Explorer has stopped working"
"Windows Explorer has stopped working"
"Word has stopped working"
"Sherlock Holmes Nemesis (Adventure Company) has stopped working"
"Outlook has stopped working"
"Acid 4.0 (Sony) has stopped working"
"Acid 6.0 (Sony) has stopped working"
"Sound Forge (Sony) has stopped working"
Is it not obvious by now that Vista has a problem, maybe a compatability
problem, with everything from Internet Explorer and Microsoft Word to third
party programs which cause programs, as I mentioned, even programs made by
Microsoft, to "stop working"?
Is there no an overall "stopped working" patch or something that Microsoft
has released by now?
Could it possibly be that Vista's OK, but every program that runs within its
system has suddenly gone bad, even those produced by Microsoft?
In looking through the forum, I see other users asking about certain
individual programs and applications that have "stopped working".
When I asked specifically about Word, I was told that there are probably
Word "temp" files on my computer that I needed to find and delete. However,
I purchased a brand new Gateway laptop and within a few days, Word stopped
working.
Are there Sony Acid temp files or Sherlock Holmes game temp files that my
wife or I have to find and delete?
I submit that there's a, and here's my non technical side coming out,
"glitch", for lack of a better non techie term, in Vista the operating system
that, if discovered and fixed via an update or a patch would be a general fix
for the very general "stopped working" problem.
When one is working under a deadline or one's work is time sensitive, one
can not be fighting programs which stop and start working over and over
again. And coming here and asking about every other program which "stops
working" is extremely time consuming and can be even expensive.
Please tell me that you've solved this problem, in general.
Thanks in advance.
Michael Bonanno
mandtbn@gmail.com
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| | | | | Post in reply to: MichaelBN
Yesterday I decided to reinstall Vista on a machine it has been on
before due to a hard drive failure, so in goes a 500GB Seagate and off
we go. About an hour into this, and having ready the "Time is Precious"
thing a couple of times I go to the NVidia website to get MB drivers.
Hit download - "Internet Explorer has stopped working".
Reboot and repeat 3 times
Give up, try Video card drivers - no problem.
Back to MB drivers - works no problem.
Do all other updates - no problem.
Total time well over 3 hours, but go figure? What went wrong the first 3
times. How did a video card driver fix it, at least well enough to get
by. Why, when I asked for detail did it tell me The failed Program,
Internet Explorer, was written by the Microsoft Corporation etc... More
to the point this was a completely new install on a machine (but not the
drive) that Vista had worked on before and had installed without
(apparently) having this problem. At that tie NOTHING has been added,
this was Vista right out of the box as it were.
RAM has had a 3 day test, Ubuntu ran well on it, so I do not have the
slightest reason to suspect hardware.
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No.
Let me repeat that in case you missed it: NO.
That is a really dumb question. REALLY dumb.
Another dumb question.
You obviously are cursed.
Don't repeat dumb questions.
I must have solved it here because I don't have that problem. Even
with Word... an OLD VERSION of Word.
By the way: your use of "you" seems to indicate that you think this is
an official Microsoft area for reporting problems and getting
solutions.
News flash: it's not. It's a peer-to-peer group where folks who
aren't cursed - as you are - try to help those that are.
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Nonny
First of all, let me apologize to anyone who may have been insulted by my
question. The frustration from the "stopped working" problem maybe got the
best of me.
Secondly, however, I don't take the "curse" personally as I've read many of
the other posts and the fact is that there are an inordinate number of posts
that are peers asking peers why programs, many, many, many different
programs, have suddenly "stopped working" when running under Vista.
I could bring up the point that I don't remember getting one single "stopped
working" error message with XP, but I figure that I'd be told that XP didn't
contain the exact "stopped working" error message. My thought about that is
that "stopped working" would have manifested itself in XP as programs
constantly quitting or maybe the OS constantly locking up. It didn't
manifest itself in XP in either of those ways. Programs didn't suddenly quit
and the computer seldomly locked up and, when it did, I could usually track
down why.
As I said, I'm not a computer wiz, but I'm not exactly computer illiterate.
When I have a problem that is time consuming and I can't figure it out
myself, I come here and my peers have been good enough to help.
If one has never encountered a "stopped working" problem with Vista, one
ought to consider one's self fortunate. That fact is manifested by the
plethora of issues that peers post here concerning program after program
after program after application after program which have "stopped working".
Is it my use of the work "glitch" which made you, nonny, my peer, refer to
my question as dumb?
To review:
1. "Stopped working" is endemic to the Vista operating system. The proof of
this lies in the number of questions which ask for help because programs
and/or applications constantly "stop working" when running under Vista.
2. This isn't a venue in which users ask experts about computer problems and
receive answers, although I've been fortunate enough to meet peers in the
past who have had the knowledge to help me and for that I'm grateful.
3. As the words "stopped working", which mean that programs and applications
of all kinds, those created by Microsoft and those not created by Microsoft,
quit far too frequently and inconveniently, it appears to me to be anything
but "dumb" to ask if Microsoft has looked into the OS to find if there's a
common thread for a common problem.
As I don't have "microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance"
associated with my name, then I guess that we can assume that all peers are
equal, it's just that some peers are more equal than others.
By the way, "dumb" would not be a word I'd use to describe a question asked
of me by a peer. It's actually insensitive and doesn't lead anyone to a
solution to the "stop working" problem which, it's obvious, is endemic to
Vista's relationship with many, many, many programs and applications.
I thought it was only in politics and I thought it was only Republicans who,
when they don't have a logical answer to a question, resort to character
assasination. Nope, looks like
"microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance" peers are prone to
do the same thing.
Are there any peers who know if this general problem is being addressed?
Thanks in advance.
Michael Bonanno
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| | | | | Post in reply to: MichaelBN
Your question was:
How in the F can MS make an "overall" patch that will cure the list of
problems you've had with several completely different programs?
HMM?
Yes, it was DUMB.
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On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:28:00 -0700, MichaelBN
The point is that it is *not* a general problem. Yes, I believe you
when you say that you have the problem. And I also believe that there
are others who have the problem. But this not typical of Vista. Many,
many of us have no such problems at all. I have been running Vista
since RTM in November of 2006, and I don't ever remember seeing a
"stopped working" message. I know many other Vista users with similar
experience--no problems at all.
Remember that these newsgroups are where people come for help with
their problems. Few people come here just to post that everything is
OK. So you get to see a lot of threads started by people who have
problems, and very few from those who don't. It gives you a very
misleading idea of what's going on in the world. As someone else once
said, hang around a transmission shop and you'll think that all cars
have transmission problems.
So why do some people (you and a few others) have this problem, and
other people (me and many others) do not? There are many
possibilities: malware infection, unstable hardware, unstable wall
power, a particular hardware configuration which doesn't like Vista,
problematical device drivers, etc. You've told us nothing that might
help one of us to help you with the problem, but instead have ranted
about its being a Vista problem. It's very difficult for anyone to
address your problems when that's all you do.
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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| | | | | Post in reply to: MichaelBN
Some quick research on Google Groups shows that not very many of your
questions get answered.
http://tinyurl.com/57zxco
I wonder if it has anything to do with your verbosity?
Maybe you'd get more help if you were more succinct and stuck to one
problem item at a time??
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Ken Blake, MVP
Well said.
I'll never win any points for diplomacy... but I've never tried to be
diplomatic. It's no fun! ;->
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| | | | | Post in reply to: MichaelBN
93IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
Nope, the frustration is not as rare as is claimed, although some of
course is due to a user's lack of specific knowledge.
Nonny is merely a troll, almost never imparts any real knowledge to the
group, only delivers insults or states the already obvious. It directs
replies to correcting poster's grammatical or spelling errors instead of
the issue posted about.
I can't think of any software I've used that is immune to the "Has
stopped working" phenomenon, which does seem to imply what you said,
that there is some common factor. Except for the repetition 4 times
yesterday, my experience has been that is "Appears" to be random.
As I stated earlier there appears to be no connection with the hardware,
an opinion which is borne out by the fact that I have seen it on every
Vista machine I have used, not always to the same extent but almost
always for no obvious reason when it does happen. My concern is that MS
do need to at least consider the possibilities that you stated, if only
to produce some kind of verifiable denial. After all Nonny says
he/she/it has never had the problem. Great, maybe if you aren't smart
enough to even stress the OS or the machine it doesn't happen, posting
insults to newsgroups is hardly stress for an operating system.
In my case most recently the problems have been worse with Microsoft's
own software than with anything else, largely with IE and Windows
Explorer. This is really annoying when copying large numbers of files,
since when that operation refuses to complete it takes a great deal of
time to figure out what was copied and what was not, and then to try and
isolate what may have been only partially copied. Shouldn't happen
right? Well.
Incidentally this copying process failure would happen with XP also, I
think some issues with explorer are known.
MS do need to address this, calling users of their products "Dumb" and
blaming stuff on hardware all the time is not on. MS do not themselves
do that and I believe that for people who claim to support MS to do that
here is negative.
As for criticism that your initial comment / post was too verbose and
not specific enough here goes then.
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On a recent machine which has been thoroughly RAM tested and a new
(single) drive installed, why, at around 3 am on Sunday July 6th 2008
did IE fail 4 times with this problem when precious installs using the
same hardware and DVD did not?
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Go ahead, someone answer just the part between the dashed line.
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| | | | | Post in reply to: MichaelBN
{snip}
There's a lot of truth in your observation, though these forums magnify the
problem. I believe Microsoft has reached a critical point as a company, and
Vista painfully mirrors the bloated, greedy and out-of-focus company that
spawned it.
I am running a high-horsepower computer, and Vista cruises along very well.
But Vista is a huge hairball of code. Some sections seem to run well, but
there may be parts that are patched and kludged together. How far can
software writers and MS push code complexity before the whole thing
collapses under it's own weight? I guess we will see, sports fans.
No, other than going back to WinXP. Vista is the Titanic. We shall see if
MS can keep it afloat.
{snip}
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