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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:24:34 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
Correct.
But that's not correct. See
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/a...
or http://tinyurl.com/384gx5
which says,
"You might have to activate Windows again in a number of instances,
such as:
....
You make a significant hardware change to your computer, such as
upgrading the hard disk drive and memory at the same time or replacing
the motherboard in your OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer)
computer."
This clarifies that replacing the motherboard is specifically
permitted.
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Carey Frisch [MVP]
In article ,
Is that your opinion as a member in good standing of the State Bar,
or is it just...your opinion?
I have two things to say. One is that just because a contract says
something doesn't make it legal, never mind enforceable. The second is that
the exact (and possibly illegal) language says that "replacing the motherboard
for anything other than a defect creates a new computer". Ok, cool. This
motherboard is defective. It runs much too slowly. Or...Whoops. Too bad
that screwdriver slipped like that 'cause now I need a Whole New Motherboard.
*This* one seems to be defective...
BTW, that language is new with Vista. OEM XP is not subject to such
attempted restriction.
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| | | | | Post in reply to: wrat@panix.com (the wharf rat)
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Yes it is.
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_licensing.asp
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Nonny
In article ,
No, it's not. Compare the text of the two license agreements.
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| | | | | Post in reply to: wrat@panix.com (the wharf rat)
By now you should have seen the link I posted that explains that.
NOTHING has been changed in the policy, expect for some clarification
of that policy by rewording it.
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Nonny
In article <5ipv641nilc18amera6m94s4mapja8g5t8@4ax.com>,
I saw your link. It talks about installing the same copy multiple
times. I'm talking about repairing or replacing parts in the system the license
was installed on. The Vista license tries to forbid that; such provisions have
been struck down by various Federal courts. The XP license is nowhere near as
specifically restrictive and does NOT try to pretend that changing a motherboard
so you can run a PCI-E video card violates the terms of use.
BTW, Microsoft itself does not enforce its own licensing terms, so it
might be properly construed that the customer has an existing easement. If they
truly mean to forbid upgrades they need to stop automatically reactivating a
license and require a sworn affidavit that no, it was NOT an upgrade. Speaking
strictly as a layman, of course.
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| | | | | Post in reply to: wrat@panix.com (the wharf rat)
You didn't read it all. Since you're obviously lazy, here is what you
missed:
Adding and removing PC components
This one dates back to the first horror stories about Product
Activation (PA) and how users who made even modest hardware changes to
their PCs would have to reactivate Windows on a regular basis. In
worst-case scenarios, so the story went, users would be shut out of
their PCs because Windows detected too many hardware changes.
Hogwash. Fewer than 5 percent of PC users ever open a PC case let
alone perform major hardware surgery. But if you're one of those guys
who regularly upgrades your PC's hardware, you'll be happy to hear
that instances of forced reactivation because of hardware upgrades are
less frequent under Vista than they were under XP. More to the point,
this is another one of those issues that only affects a tiny, tiny
percentage of Windows users.
When Windows examines changes to the system, the two most heavily
weighed components are the PC's motherboard and hard drive, in that
order. If you change both of these components at one time, Windows
will almost certainly assume it's running in a new computer and cause
you to reactivate. "It's that old question, 'When does a boat become a
new boat?," Boettcher asked, rhetorically. "When every plank has been
replaced, is it a new boat?" In the case of a Windows XP and
Vista-based PC, there is an algorithm that examines hardware changes
and, based on an internal score, determines whether a reactivation is
required.
When that happens, Windows will attempt to reactivate electronically.
If that fails, the user will need to call and reactivate manually.
This is the same under Vista as it was under XP, though again the
algorithm has been updated to be less strict.
"This is a fairly rare thing," Boettcher said. "Edge cases can be
accommodated through customer support, but it's a relatively small
group: People who are building their own PCs; hard core enthusiasts."
Long story short, you'll have to talk to a human being and explain
what happened. Just as you have had to do with XP.
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Vswildcat
Retail standard (full) editions of Vista are designed for exactly what you
want to do.
The OEM (System Builder) License that comes with the OEM software you refer
to does not give the purchaser the right to use the software. The License
only grants the right to install the software on a computer for sale to a
customer. OEM software is not intended for purchase and use by an end user.
The disclaimer NewEgg supplies on the product details page (Specifications
Tab) for each OEM pack they sell states:
"Use of this OEM System Builder Channel software is subject to the terms of
the Microsoft OEM System Builder License. This software is intended for
pre-installation on a new personal computer for resale. This OEM System
Builder Channel software requires the assembler to provide end user support
for the Windows software and cannot be transferred to another computer once
it is installed. To acquire Windows software with support provided by
Microsoft please see our full package "Retail" product offerings."
What the System Builder license actually says can be read at:
http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx
All editions of Vista are licensed on a one copy/one device basis. That is
you must assign the license to a device (each blade or partition is a
separate device) and then you may install one copy of the software on that
device. Only if the license permits removal from the first device and
transfer to another may you then use the software on another computer. You
may not install the software on two devices at the same time without
obtaining a second license, even when both devices are on the same computer.
OEM software may not be transferred at all except along with the computer it
is first installed on.
You may activate the software on one computer. To activate the software on
a second computer (without removing the software from the first computer)
you need a second license. You may re-activate the software on the same
device as many times as you need to, so you are always entitled to repair
Windows of any type.
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Vswildcat
Your Question was "upgrade" .....an OEM version will not upgrade...it is a
fresh new install each and every time..
pk
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| | | | | Post in reply to: peter
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What ever the case may be this is truly BS for MS to do . What the use
of buying retail if MS allow ppl to do exactlly the samething with
OEM ? OEM shouldn't be sold like it is . I don't care if they do , all
the power to you if you get a copy without buying anything else with
it . Though its sad to see MS don't really care to carry out its own
rules , I know someone who installed his XP OEM unto 2 different comps
and he just had to call MS about it . He said he made a big fuss about
it but in the end they just gave him new keys to activate it ...
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