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Mike Hall - MVP
Posted 5/17/2008 7:35:05 PM




Post in reply to: Alias



The fact is that I have also lived and worked in Spain, and France, and the
UK, and the US. You may be able to pull the wool over the eyes of some, but
you will not get away with doing it to me..


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Post #113831
Mike Hall - MVP
Posted 5/17/2008 7:55:01 PM




Post in reply to: Alias



You once claimed that Vista was cheaper in some retail outlets, that one
didn't have to pay full recommended price everywhere..

So software isn't so bad, and cheap parts are readily available. And you
problem is?


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Post #113837
Canuck57
Posted 5/17/2008 11:35:11 PM




Post in reply to: Alias


Why not! Heck, that is a lot for jeans. Picked some up a few months ago,
$20 in the US each. US isn't that far from here and with NAFTA, you can buy
cars, often 20% cheaper. Have imported two myself. Thinking of a boat next
if the dealers get real.

But I hear the beaches, a bottle of rum, some chicks to look at, can't be
beat from Spain. Who cares about Vista with that in mind. No snow,
enticing. Are you an expate?


Post #113926
Canuck57
Posted 5/17/2008 11:45:00 PM




Post in reply to: Mike Hall - MVP


Listen, he is in Spain. EU. They have to pay for the Microsoft anti-trust
conviction that the US didn't enforce. Predatory pricing and the like.

Nice adoption ground for Linux I bet. I wonder if I should take a Spanish
course, always liked the people.


Post #113930
Canuck57
Posted 5/17/2008 11:55:05 PM




Post in reply to: Kerry Brown


Never have run MS-Office under wine, always use Open Office. It does run
equally as well on multiple platforms, which is great in my profession.



Where I hit problems that really gets me can be summed up as:

- copy disk to disk, large files, painfully slow compared to XP or Linux.
- copy to/from the network, again, painfully slow
- CIFS shares, haven't got them working with Samba (yet).
- they still haven't fixed 8 year old bugs in Express/Mail.

Running Fedora or Ubuntu on the same hardware does not show the same issues.
Seems very Vista specific. And with Linux, can use NFS native for the media
storage and quick...

My 3 year old XP, no problems, but it is different hardware but older/slower
hardware. IDE versus SATA etc.

On my laptop, the Atheros driver works like lighting using Ubuntu, Fedora or
OpenBSD. But haven't tried it with Vista. Given my laptop has only 512M,
that would be a time waster to bring Vista near it.

For network though, I did pull up Vista performance monitor of sorts, square
topped at 5mbs on a 100MBS network. Never could get it to do better. Tied
dozens of things. I may be extra sensitive to this as I routinely copy
around DVD sized ISO/zip images. And Vista, not liveable. XP was always
slower than Linux, but comparable. Vista, slugware.

Didn't have any Vista crashes though. This part of Vista, never
experienced. Stable yes, slow, yes. Incompatible yes. Keeping my XP alive
and running. And don't have to update VMWare. Treating Vista as a sunk
unrecoverable cost on the last PC. MS tax if you will. Only real value was
if a customer needs me to use it I will not be blank faced.


Post #113937
Canuck57
Posted 5/18/2008 12:05:07 AM




Post in reply to: Mike Hall - MVP


First, Canada has a tax treaty called NAFTA. Explain:
- why is MS products 20-30% higher in Canada, it isn't taxes.
- why will US companies sell books, PCs but not MS over the border?

Abet, we don't get so screwed as Spain. But if it is local retailers, why
not let the users just download it, spit them a PDF with keys and have one
(legal) price for the whole world and not this price fixing?

Cuts out the middle man too. Shrink wrap is so last century. I don't even
load Solaris with physical CD/DVDs any more. Haven't for three years.
Ditto Linux. (Yes, Linux loads over a network).

Taiwan, real cheap. Eee PC, special price, abet not Vista fatware but XP
re-incarnated. You know, the defunct OS. I can get Eee PCs here in Canada
for the same price as California, XP or Linux. BTW, over a million Eee PCs
with Linux sold. That extra memory is nice.

Come now...Microsoft is no longer competitive and is predatory in pricing.
Bet I could buy a copy of XP (english) legal cheaper in the orient than in
the US, even Redmond.

MS is digging its grave.


Post #113946
Alias
Posted 5/18/2008 3:35:02 AM




Post in reply to: Canuck57

Yes, married to a Spanish lady. I have a green card :-)

Alias
Post #113992
Alias
Posted 5/18/2008 3:35:03 AM




Post in reply to: Mike Hall - MVP

You've made two claims:

1. I don't know anything about computers

and

2. I am pulling the wool over the eyes of some.

Can you explain or are you like Frank and just insult people because you
can?

Alias
Post #113994
Alias
Posted 5/18/2008 3:55:00 AM




Post in reply to: Canuck57

In the last year, I have seen Ubuntu discussed in magazines, newspapers
and TV. I asked the computer chains which OS was requested the most. XP
was first, followed by Ubuntu and Vista.

If you're serious about Spain, send me an email.

Alias
Post #113997
Alias
Posted 5/18/2008 3:55:01 AM




Post in reply to: Mike Hall - MVP

No, I didn't. I said that if you buy it wholesale, it's cheaper.
Nonetheless, it's still cheaper in the US to buy a generic OEM than a
generic OEM here. I have a license to buy wholesale, which means I can
buy generic OEMs. Most people do not.


My problem isn't with Spain but Microsoft for their discriminating and
unfair pricing tactics.

Alias
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