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RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Tue, 25 Dec 2007 03:27:49 GMT

That's right kiddos! I'm back! Just my new Brisbane rig up and running so I thought I'd resurrect this thread.

My highest so far although not quite stable..;) The 3.0 in my sig is my highest stable so far.

X2 3600+ Brisbane 1.9GHz @ 3.18 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=281599

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:02:58 GMT

Opteron 1212 @ 3.1GHz! Enough said. http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=238260

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:54:08 GMT

[QUOTE]After studying the processor architecture and reading many reviews, it appeared to me that the Intel chips were better for overclocking than AMD. Also, most of the higher end dual cores had 4mb L2 vs 512kb to 1mb on AMD's if I remember correctly.[/QUOTE]

The higher end Core 2 Duos have a 4MB shared L2 while the X2 5200+,6000+ and Opteron 1000 series to mention a few have a 2 x 1MB L2 i.e. each physical processor or "core" has it's own 1MB cache as opposed too a single 4MB L2 shared between cores in the Core 2 Duo.

I am not truly down on Intel i mostly do that for my own amusement anyone who can read knows at the moment the Core 2 Duos are superior.

What i am a bit down on are the fanbois out there that extoll the Core 2 Duo as some sort of super chip that AMD will never be able to top which is just plain silly the big boys AMD and Intel have both been on top as far as performance goes and it will probably continue too go that way for a long time. These are the same people who are already poo pooing the Phenom without knowing what is truly capable of yet no one does there are a lot of rumours,speculation and "leaks" AMD has a habit of distributing vague rumours and leaks the droppping the other boot when the chip is released. This is what happened with the X2 as well, "preliminary repots show blah blah blah it's slow, it won't compete"... then when it hit the market and folks starting benchmarking it was all WOW! at that point it dominated anything Intel had for quite awhile until the Core 2 Duo was released so now the shoes is on the other foot again.

The Core 2 Duo smokes anything AMD has at the moment they are fast,powerful and superb overclockers but thier reign has been fairly short so far. Come November we will all know for sure if the dark side can be subdued once again or if it will continue to wield it's power.

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All of that being said if you look at a little thing known as price/performance the gap between Intel and AMD closes like a bear trap. Using a X2 5200+ at $130 and the E4400 at $125 as examples the X2 5200+ offers more bang for your buck. If we begin to compare the Opteron vs. the Xeon the AMD advantage is even larger in price/performance you simply cannot find a 2GHz Xeon that can match an Opteron 1212 (2.0GHz).

As far as your wifes machine goes if you do end up building her a new one it's hard to beat X2 3600+ Brisbane for $65 at newegg. They overclock very easily, you could bump it up to 2.5 or so for her and unless she's a hardcore gamer i would think that would be more than adequate. The Brisbanes are 65nm based and a slight Vcore bump will not shorten thier life significantly though with mild overclocks that is rarely needed anyway. To touch on that a little more there seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding about the relationship between overclocking and CPU life unless you are running your processor at a higher than rated Vcore (even then a .50 increase above rated won't shorten much) and at extremly high clock speeds and temps the odds of you shortening your CPU's life to any significant extent are slim indeed. Most processors will be replaced by something more modern way before any shortening of thier life will be realized anyway.

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*If you can find a Core 2 Duo in the same price range as my Opteron 1212 that can outperform it at stock speeds let me know:satisfied:

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

MrMagic — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:12:31 GMT

[quote][b]AmericanNightmare (8/30/2007)[/b][hr]Most Core 2 Duos overclock extremely well i wouldn't be suprised at all if you could get 4.0GHz stable with an E6600 depending on your cooling. Glad to see someone else posting here even if they do represent the "dark side";)[/quote]

Just curiosity, why are you so 'high' on AMD and 'down' on Intel? I had the choice when I built my new box to go either way.

After studying the processor architecture and reading many reviews, it appeared to me that the Intel chips were better for overclocking than AMD. Also, most of the higher end dual cores had 4mb L2 vs 512kb to 1mb on AMD's if I remember correctly.

As I said, just a point of curiosity since I'm getting ready to do a 'build' for my wife's new machine and again I have the option to go either way. Then on the other hand she may inherit my current machine and I can up the ante a bit on my own box. Right now the GA-965P-DS3 with an E6600 and 2gb of 800 DDR2 dual channel looks awfully attractive, and, I'd like to set up a dual boot with Vista Ultimate and SuSe Linux.

Steve

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

MiKe0589 — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:00:19 GMT

my mobo sucks for overclocking, i can only take it to a 2.3 :crazy: oh well, the next one will be able to OC. :w00t:

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

MrMagic — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:27:17 GMT

[quote][b]cyclic (8/30/2007)[/b][hr]As to the revision number, if you look at the board from left to right with the CPU skt to the right, then in the uppermost top left corner in little white letters will be printed REV no. xx[/quote]

Thanks for that, I'll see if I can locate it where you suggest. Having the same motherboard as I have, have you done any overclocking on your E6600? If so, what have you been able to get out of it?

Was the Gigabyte software of any use to you?

There are still several parameters and settings that I don't understand well enough to go tweaking with and need to do some more studying. At one time I had the E6320 up to 3.2ghz but it started getting real flaky, and for all practical purposes I don't need to push it that hard.

I am curious about memory settings and timings which I still don't understand very well and I think I can probably squeeze a bit more out there. My memory is DDR2 667 but now I wish I had popped a few extra bucks and gotten 800. Maybe the toothfairy or somebody will leave a couple a couple of 1gb 800mhz sticks under my pillow!

Anyways, curious about any oc'ing you have done with that CPU/MOBO combination.

On the Vista Richter Scale, I'm at 4.2 with my current settings.

Steve

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

cyclic — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:21:35 GMT

As to the revision number, if you look at the board from left to right with the CPU skt to the right, then in the uppermost top left corner in little white letters will be printed REV no. xx

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:16:05 GMT

Most Core 2 Duos overclock extremely well i wouldn't be suprised at all if you could get 4.0GHz stable with an E6600 depending on your cooling. Glad to see someone else posting here even if they do represent the "dark side";)

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

Camride — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:43:12 GMT

Here are some quick specs on mine, I'll get more detailed once I get home and can check everything.

Core 2 Duo E6600 ES 2.4Ghz, 1066Mhz fsb
Asus P5B-D
OCZ 1gb x 2 DDR2-800

At the stock multi (9x) I can get 3.9Ghz with a 1700Mhz fsb. This isn't completely stable though. Running stable I typically set it to 3.6Ghz(can't remember the fsb). At a 8x multi I can get it up at 3.85Ghz with a 1900Mhz fsb. The RAM I have to set at whatever divider nets me less than 1100Mhz as that's about what the OCZ tops out at. The cool thing is the cpu will do 3.4Ghz at stock volts.

Now, I haven't really tweaked it a ton and I'm pretty sure I could push it to 4Ghz, I just haven't spent the time to do it. I think though the max stable OC for daily use is going to still be about 3.6Ghz as I don't want a ton of voltage pumping through it 24/7. For 3.6Ghz I only have to bump it up a small amount.

Core 2 Duo's seem to OC extremely well. Having an engineering sample helps a little though.

:)

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:13:52 GMT

Good job Steve! That's the way it's done! Be careful though overclocking can be addictive..

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

MrMagic — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:01:41 GMT

You are right about the software. It seems to be good for finding the approximate settings of everything and coordinating the overclock pretty well, but does not save any of the changes to the BIOS.

I ran the software for a few days, experimenting with different speeds and such and then when I found the stable point, took all the settings that the software was reporting and set them into the BIOS and then stopped the software from autobooting. Things are running pretty much as I want and showing no problems.

Biggest problem was that while the Gigabyte software does a good job of outlining what your settings should be and running the machine according to the software settings, the software itself crashes a lot, and of course when it crashes, all the settings would go back to their defaults.

So, using the Gigabyte software to experiment with different settings, then when you find what works, hard set them into the bios, kill the software and you're pretty much where you want to be.

Steve

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:39:34 GMT

Sorry it took me so long to reply to this Steve. One thing i can tell you is you will never get the same performance or stability out of any overclock done from within Windows that you will if your overclock from within the BIOS. When you use software there are just to many varibles.

Using software to overclock can be usefull for testing the approximate level to which you can safely push your hardware but it should always been finalized from within the BIOS.

You can find the answers to almost any overclock question you may have as well as find others who have experience with systems similar to your own in the link provided.

*Advanced overclock options can be accessed on Gigabyte boards by hitting Ctrl+F1 during post.

http://www.overclock.net/

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

MrMagic — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:32:09 GMT

For those who may be interested, I have started some modest overclocking on my system as listed below.

The software that came with the Gigabyte mother board seems to make this VERY easy. The only problem I have with the software is on bootup of the system. The main executable is stopped by Vista and requires permission to run. I've done everything I know how to do, given it admin rights, adjusted all the security parameters i know about and still, it requires permission during system bootup. Anybody have any suggestions on what I can do to stop this.

Right now I'm comfortably running the 965 Mobo and E6320 at a 'comfortable' 2.4ghz and seem to be having no heat or performance problems. The software has several alarms that can be set and SEEMS quite cabable of adjusting everything for the performance you want.

I'm interested to know if any others have experience with using this mobo, processor and software combo and what kind of performance you've been able to get out of it.

One other thing. There appear to be 3 rev's of this mobo and I simply cannot figure out which rev I have. I'm assuming its a rev 3.3 but I can't find it stamped anywhere on the mobo or in anything else. I have upgraded the bios the latest F12 version. Anyway to tell one rev from another on this board?

Thanks

Steve

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:07:58 GMT

My first benchmark.

PC Wizard 2007 Version 1.73
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Report Date: Monday 13 August 2007 at 09:40

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<<< Processor Benchmark >>>

> Whetstone (x87 - Float.) : 8795 MFlops

> Whetstone (iSSE3 - Float.) : 16646 MFlops

> Dhrystone (iSSE3 - Int.) : 25819 Mips

> Computation of "Mandelbrot" (iSSE3) : 9.656 sec.

<<< General Features >>>

>> General Information
Processor : AMD Opteron 1212
Frequency : 2000 MHz
Number of Core : 2
L1 Cache : 2 x 128 KB
L2 Cache : 2 x 1024 KB
Total Memory : 2040 MB
Bus Speed : 294 MHz

>> Processor Technology
MMX : Yes
MMX AMD : Yes
3DNow! : Yes
SSE : Yes
SSE2 : Yes
SSE3 : Yes
S-SSE3 : No
SSE4A : No
x86-64 : Yes
Intel64 (EM64T) : Yes
Hyper-Threading : Yes

>> Tests Information
Instructions SSE, SSE2, SSE3, S-SSE3 : 128-bit
Instructions MMX : 64-bit
Instructions 3DNow! : 64-bit
Instructions FPU (x87) : 64-bit
Instructions INT : 32-bit

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
***** End of report *****

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:46:55 GMT

I'll try and get one together tonight. I plan at some point putting together a step by step on several different AMD CPU's.

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

MrMagic — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:44:03 GMT

[quote][b]Jason (8/10/2007)[/b][hr]Anyone want to make a good list of all the applications you should use when overclocking?

Such as CPU Tempo monitoring/burn in programs.

Hopefully I will get time this weekend to torture my p4 some more. I really want to get over 3ghz but I'm afraid of burning up the ram since my mobo only allows for FSB increases.[/quote]

And most importantly, where to get the things. I've had little luck tracking down some of the ones I see talked about.

Steve

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

Jason — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:04:01 GMT

Anyone want to make a good list of all the applications you should use when overclocking?

Such as CPU Tempo monitoring/burn in programs.

Hopefully I will get time this weekend to torture my p4 some more. I really want to get over 3ghz but I'm afraid of burning up the ram since my mobo only allows for FSB increases.

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:43:08 GMT

The BIOS on most new motherboards allows you too limit or lock your video cards frequency thereby taking it out of the equation. As for as OCing a Intel CPU i will admit i am not qualified to help you with. Just thought i would let you know that you don't need to worry about your video cards frequency relative to your CPU overclock.

Overclock.net has some excellent step by step info on OCing Core2Duos.

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

MrMagic — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:34:16 GMT

Hi Folks,

I'm ready (I think) to try a bit of overclocking but I've never attempted it before and would like some general guidance.

Have just built my new machine, running Vista Home Premium.

Gigabyte 965P-S3 Mobo

Intel E6320 Processor

2gb of 667 DDR Dual channel mem

PWC Radeon x1550 PCI-E Video, 512mb GDDR2

Aspire Xdiscover case with lots of fans

Antec 650 Watt PS

250gb SATA and 2 DVD writers

I purchased this processor because of numerous reviews lauding its overclocking capabilities and I'm ready to try in gentle steps.

First, what software utils do I need to do this correctly? Something I think that makes it easy to monitor CPU temp and stress the system. Software to actually make the clocking changes? Whatever it is that I should have

The whole system is stock right now and rates 4.2 on the Vista Richter scale. What should I do first that is the safest way to start upping this pup to see if I can get to around 5.0 on the scale?

I realize that video card may be the biggest limiter there but I'm not a gamer and just couldn't see going any higher on the video, so, will probably be asking how to try some moderate oc'ing on that as well.

Somebody willing to take a rookie at oc'ing under their wing?

Steve

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:38:58 GMT

My last day with this old girl so i thought i post some of my scores before i send her to her new owner.:( I really,really want to take a shot at the top dog in my category but i don't want to suicide before i ship her off.

http://www.overclock.net/benchmarking-software-discussion/189116-hwbot-cpu-z-ranking.html

http://www.hwbot.org//listResults.do?filterBlocked=true&applicationId=13&teamId=1615&cpuSubFamilyId=9

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:50:08 GMT

[quote][b]Jason (7/26/2007)[/b][hr]I got my stocker P4 2.45Ghz up until 2.86, then I get freezes. Dangit. All I can do is raise my FSB, unless there is a hacked BIOS for a shuttle motherboard (P.O.S mobo, it was like $40 on ebay and it's my second one.)

I intend on breaking it, since then I can buy a new pc. So I'm upping it to 2.95ghz when I get home, along w/ adding another case fan.

I'm overclocking the piss out of my Geforce fx5200 using coolbits. Hope the house doesnt burn down. I ghetto rigged a fan ontop of the entire card..looks really funny.[/quote]

That's right Jason give her all she can handle then go past that!

I keep tryin to break my 3GHz ceiling but i may need better RAM if i losen my timings up to much booting becomes a bit like Russian roulette.

Best i can get and stay stable i'm sticking with that till i am dethroned.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=221233

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

kingofnexus — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:41:19 GMT

Rofl I can only wonder what it looks like - carefull it doesn't explode!!

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

Jason — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:37:29 GMT

I got my stocker P4 2.45Ghz up until 2.86, then I get freezes. Dangit. All I can do is raise my FSB, unless there is a hacked BIOS for a shuttle motherboard (P.O.S mobo, it was like $40 on ebay and it's my second one.)

I intend on breaking it, since then I can buy a new pc. So I'm upping it to 2.95ghz when I get home, along w/ adding another case fan.

I'm overclocking the piss out of my Geforce fx5200 using coolbits. Hope the house doesnt burn down. I ghetto rigged a fan ontop of the entire card..looks really funny.

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:23:22 GMT

Heck that's a modest OC! There are folks at Overclock.net that have the same processors running at 3.4GHz.

Just a little faster..... http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=220920

She'll be fine with my low idle temps.

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

Walker — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:50:22 GMT

You really like torturing your CPU dont you?

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:49:34 GMT

I hear Prime is a good burn in but to be quite honest find some good old fashion multitasking or heavy gaming in your case shows if your CPU can handle your OC better than anything the problem with most burn ins they are synthetic to some degree or another. I figure i am OK if i have been up and runnig like today for lets see about 16 hours now with WMP going,surfing,encoding video,ripping this and that you get the drift i think. Anyway sorry to hear that. Some processors just can't take the high FSB and Volts like others even within the same class or families. I have heard around for example that the 5000+ dual cores are very intolerant to OC'ing like 10 percent before they loose stability. I am sure some will disagree but that seems to be the skinny around the OC forums. The 3600 and 3800 seems to have a lot more breathing room for the most part.

As you can see after like i said 16 hours or so of fairly heavy work with very little idle time between i do lose a little as far as effiency and speed but not much.

Report Date: Wednesday 25 July 2007 at 11:54

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

<<< Processor Benchmark >>>

> Whetstone (x87 - Float.) : 8378 MFlops

> Whetstone (iSSE3 - Float.) : 15425 MFlops

> Dhrystone (iSSE3 - Int.) : 24843 Mips

> Computation of "Mandelbrot" (iSSE3) : 10.061 sec.

<<< General Features >>>

>> General Information
Processor : AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+
Frequency : 2000 MHz
Number of Core : 2
L1 Cache : 2 x 128 KB
L2 Cache : 2 x 512 KB
Total Memory : 1536 MB
Bus Speed : 290.7 MHz

>> Processor Technology
MMX : Yes
MMX AMD : Yes
3DNow! : Yes
SSE : Yes
SSE2 : Yes
SSE3 : Yes
S-SSE3 : No
SSE4A : No
x86-64 : Yes
Intel64 (EM64T) : Yes
Hyper-Threading : Yes

>> Tests Information
Instructions SSE, SSE2, SSE3, S-SSE3 : 128-bit
Instructions MMX : 64-bit
Instructions 3DNow! : 64-bit
Instructions FPU (x87) : 64-bit
Instructions INT : 32-bit

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

kingofnexus — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:00:07 GMT

Yep, 251FSB no longer :(

Processor cannot take that FSB at 4.25V. I'm not prepared to raise the voltage higher as I want the cpu to last me a long time (stock 3.75V)

Lowered it to 241FSB, still alot faster than stock, but its the same overclock as I had before (granted, I have overclocked my memory to faster than before).

On another note I've decided that SiSoft Sandra Burn-in is crap. I ran 25 continuous arithmetric tests and my CPU had no errors. I also calculated pi to 35 million decimal places in another application. I assumed all was well, until I BSOD'd while playing Supreme Commander with Walker. I downloaded a program called Prime 95 and it found an error with its calculations in about 1 and a half minutes on full load on both cores. Since lowering it back to 241Mhz i ran for 10 minutes with no errors. I recommend this program and doing the FPU test on it on all cores simultaneously.

[url=http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm]Link[/url] (read readme for how to run on both cores, and download win x64 version if using vista x64)

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

Walker — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:47:25 GMT

Hehehe Nexus's pc has started crashing :)

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

kingofnexus — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:17:54 GMT

Ive oc'ed my computer again. Pumped up my FSB to 250 (200 stock), multiplier kept a 10x, 11x would need higher voltage and I want to keep my CPU running at optimum for the next 3-4 years, so gonna leave it as it is.

More details below:

[url=http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=220072]CPU-Z[/url]

[url=http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07301/OCdef251.jpg]The OC (pun [u]not[/u] intended)[/url]

[url=http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07301/OCcpudef251.jpg]CPU Benchmark[/url]

[url=http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07301/OCmemdef251.jpg]Memory Benchmark[/url]

[url=http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07301/OCramdef251.jpg]RAM Benchmark[/url]

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:21:36 GMT

[quote][b]Jason (7/23/2007)[/b][hr]Increasing the FSB speed should still stress the ram since the memory bus and front side on most motherboards run parallel when it comes to speed. I guess it comes down to how your bios works, I don't really know about mine but the question I had was more general and not specific to my situation.

I don't understand why FSB are advertised @ 533 and 800mhz. When it appears mine is running at 133mhz?

BTW, it's an old P4 from probably 4 years ago 2.4ghz no HT.[/quote]

A little ad to that. Your RAM is only stressed to any consequence if you increase your FSB without dropping your timings whether Intel or AMD.

>case in point M Size : 1536 MB
RAM Freq : 145.8 MHz
RAM Type : DDR-SDRAM Dual Channel
RAM Ratio : CPU/20
RAM Timings : 2.5-2-2-5

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:39:27 GMT

[quote][b]Walker (7/23/2007)[/b][hr]Okay i shall post my tiny overclock.

Pentium 4 Northwood

Core Speed: 2.53 GHz

Overclocked Speed: 2.94GHz

Can't change the multiplier of the CPU as my crappy motherboard (ASRock P4i6g [or something like that]) doesn't allow this. So i have to change FSB.

RAM:

Underclocked 1GB Kingston 400 MHz + Underclock Kingston 512 MB 400MHz

GPU FSB: Not changed my motherboard automaticaly locks that FSB

GPU: X1650 Pro 512 MB GDDR 2 Core Memory clock: 400 MHz Overclock to 450 MHz[/quote]

Nothing crappy about that! Glad someone posted! Hell 2 months ago i did not know an OC from a PBR!

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:35:50 GMT

Because your actual bus speed is a product of the FSB times the multiplier. That is a difference between AMD and Intel. Intel tends to advertise the bus speed as FSB when in fact it's not.

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

Jason — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:35:48 GMT

[quote][b]kingofnexus (7/23/2007)[/b][hr]Theres probably some multipliers in amongst all that FSB nonsense. Like I said above you really need to do extensive research on your CPU/RAM/mobo to understand most of the 'jibberish'.[/quote]

That is probably true, I didn't think about the multiplyer.

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

Walker — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:30:53 GMT

Okay i shall post my tiny overclock.

Pentium 4 Northwood

Core Speed: 2.53 GHz

Overclocked Speed: 2.94GHz

Can't change the multiplier of the CPU as my crappy motherboard (ASRock P4i6g [or something like that]) doesn't allow this. So i have to change FSB.

RAM:

Underclocked 1GB Kingston 400 MHz + Underclock Kingston 512 MB 400MHz

GPU FSB: Not changed my motherboard automaticaly locks that FSB

GPU: X1650 Pro 512 MB GDDR 2 Core Memory clock: 400 MHz Overclock to 450 MHz

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

kingofnexus — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:27:22 GMT

Theres probably some multipliers in amongst all that FSB nonsense. Like I said above you really need to do extensive research on your CPU/RAM/mobo to understand most of the 'jibberish'.

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

Jason — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:23:04 GMT

Increasing the FSB speed should still stress the ram since the memory bus and front side on most motherboards run parallel when it comes to speed. I guess it comes down to how your bios works, I don't really know about mine but the question I had was more general and not specific to my situation.

I don't understand why FSB are advertised @ 533 and 800mhz. When it appears mine is running at 133mhz?

BTW, it's an old P4 from probably 4 years ago 2.4ghz no HT.

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

kingofnexus — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:21:32 GMT

Lol I dont think anyone can fully understand what all the MHz means. Depends what your looking at. Like you could see 400MHz DDR, or you could see 200MHz DDR and both mean the same thing, as DDR is dual channel, the frequency is doubled, so 200 become 400 so certain wrintings take it into acount and some dont. All you got to look at it what your stock settings are, and raise them.

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:17:53 GMT

Honestly no clue Jason b/c i won't touch an Intel. I know the Core2Duo is all that whatever! Again upon my soapbox a few months compared to AMD's years of domination from the Athlon XP to the 64 and and X2 Intels Core2Duo is a flash in the pan. Sorry man i couldn't help myself there. Does the P4 have something similar to HT? If so try dropping it and dropping you RAM timings something modest b/c as i have said before you will never burn your RAM underclcoking it and leaving your CPU multi. at default ( usually 10x across the board)then bumping that FSB.

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

Jason — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:05:14 GMT

[quote][b]AmericanNightmare (7/23/2007)[/b][hr]Ok first of all there is no such thing as a stupid question! Secondly are we talking the P4 here or the K b/c that's 2 completely different ballgames guy. I can't really go farther without that info.[/quote]

RE: Newbie's Overclocking Guide

AmericanNightmare — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:04:46 GMT

Ok first of all there is no such thing as a stupid question! Secondly are we talking the P4 here or the K b/c that's 2 completely different ballgames guy. I can't really go farther without that info.