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Apart from the updates, to keep XP alive, MS would have to produce the
installation media, manuals, packaging, all of which costs.
MS no longer want or need these costs as the employees are required to work
on Vista, Windows 7, and all of the other current and future product ranges
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Mike Hall - MVP
Oh, so you're using Vista Basic?
Alias
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But it depends how you define "support" and how you define "current".
"Fixes for major security breaches only" would be fine. Here's another
approach: "No more fixes to XP, but anyone who buys XP after June 08 gets a
free upgrade to Vista whenever they want it". That would certainly count as
support.
Remember, MS wouldn't lose money on it: the alternative is to force you to
buy a Vista license after June, and if they price them the same, it would
all be the same to their bottom line.
Simple, then: "Buy XP or Vista, whichever you prefer. The support for
Vista consists of ongoing bug fixes for five years. The support for XP
consists of a free update to Vista." I think this WOULD stand up in court,
especially when you compare it to the alternative: "buy Vista or piss off".
SteveT
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Alias
When I bought my XP MCE system (Compaq AMD X2) all you had to do is go to a
web site, and they sent me Vista Premium 32 bit for it. Never did install
it. XP MCE was just too stable except for SP3 which I had to rename a DLL
to get it to boot afterwards. Got it for a good price as at the time Vista
was rolling in.
I bet if they still produced systems with XP MCE they would fly off the
shelves even today.
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Alias
Nope.. I am running Vista Ultimate.. all bells and whistles..
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Anti-Vista isn't neccessarily anti-Microsoft. Many people try Vista, then
decide they don't like it. My last purchase was deliberately Vista. I
wanted to try it and with an open mind. My first impressions were WOW. I
loved the Aero. I dived right in.
But then as I tried to do things outside of simple email and web surfing, I
ran into issues. Performance was a biggie. Copy of large files to/from
disk and over the network, I couldn't believe how long it was taking. Then
I discovered missing pieces like the policy editor to get Vista working with
my storage systems. I did eventually get them to map the drives, but had to
turn security off to do so, which I didn't like and have since re-enabled
security.
I had at least one piece of software needing upgrade, but I knew that in
advance. But because I coud resolve the above issues, I deferred making
Vista my primary workstation. It simply is not ready for me. I also timed
my purchase a few weeks in advance if SP1 as I thought it would fix more
issues than it did.
Ford could also stop selling cars and only sell F450's too.
It is pretty obvious, Microsoft isn't about choices, it what WeSaySo Corp
says goes.
Burden? It is seasoned and stable code compared to Vista. They don't have
to re-write XP or XP x64.... just maintain it with newer drivers and it
would work for some time yet to come. And it wouldn't take billions and 5
years to produce like Vista.
They could. You could sum up the EULA as you have no rights, Microsoft has
all rights. You don't have to read the 50KB of it to get the message.
Would you buy a car in 2006 knowing you couldn't get get parts and a tune-up
in 2008?
Most PCs you buy today (2008) will be retired by 2014. 6 years.
Good point except for the contented customers part. Vista is a mess in
contented.
Not stupid at all. Greedy, over-priced yes. But brilliant.
You buy a PC with Vista. MS sells a license via the OEM. You find out
Premium or Basic is a insufficient for your needs.
Now Microsoft will sell you a second copy of Ultimate if you stay Vista or
if you need XP, they sell you a second copy. The second dip.
Now that active Vista development has ceased, they are on to Win7 leaving
Vista-unfinished into maintenance mode the idea is that people will be so
sick of Vista, they will blindly buy Win7 right away. The triple dip.
In the end, Microsoft will sell up to 3 OSes for 1 PC bought today.
Because it forces you onto the Microsoft OS tread mill. Microsoft has
openly stated, they really want OS changes every 3 years. But the public,
including business wants a longer and more stable life cycle. XP is in it's
prime and while not new and flashy, it does not come with Vista beta testing
problems.
Take EeePC. Microsoft is taking XP out of the closet as Vista is too much
of a hog to run on a EeePC. And EeePC runs Linux. And EeePC is selling.
And Microsoft WeSaySo marketing is pissed so many are seeing Linux can and
does work. Our dependency on Microsoft is artificial and hype.
I am not anti-Vista, it just inst ready. That is why I keep my main desktop
XP.
Nor am I am anti-Microsoft. While it is my opinion Vista sucks, I have run
every OS they have except for WinMe from DOS 2.0 forward. I have run many
others.
And for the billions spent, a so called mature development environment, 5+
years in development, starting with an existing code base, Microsoft should
be embarased at Vista performance and quality.
Since you develop small applications, keep your code portable. If Win7 goes
down like Vista, business isn't going to bite the triple dip, it might be
the catalyst for appliance PCs based on Linux for $300. In which case, you
can move faster to keep your customers happy.
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Mike Hall - MVP
So did you pay $500+ for a full Ultimate?
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Mike Hall - MVP
Ah, so you bought a high end machine in preparation for Vista. Enough
said and thanks for stepping in the trap.
Alias
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Canuck57
He got it free due to being a known MS brown nose.
Alias
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| | | | | Post in reply to: Canuck57
What sick FUD spreading POS lying linux troll you are.
Frank
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